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"Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
In my spare time, I'm building a dog niche search engine to flip. I'll post the details of what I do each day here.

Day 1 -
The first day I used Artisteer and an image from Istockphoto to create a template/design. Looks pretty good, I'll post it soon.

I modified the template to work with Fatty.

I spent about 3 hours creating and modifying the template.

Day 2 -
I used Article Ideas to create high quality linking database for Fatty for the 30 most popular dogs.

I still need to format the results into "FatBomb format".

Had slow connection, this took about 3-4 hours.


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1. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   I am not into dogs - so if you need some Dog related plr (articles, ebook) you know where to find me LOL

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2. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
Why build a site using Fatty?

Because FatBomb makes PERFECT "hub" pages. There are two types of sites Google favors: Authority and Hub sites.

We know about authority sites, but hub sites are rarely discussed. I suggest that you take a little time and do a little research into hub sites and discover the value in creating them:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS274US274&num=20&q=authority hub sites seo&aq=f&oq=&aqi=


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3. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   I shouldnt say this but fatty pages are still getting indexed at an impressive rate and so far even stay indexed!

monetizing them is another thing though...

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4. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
>I shouldnt say this but fatty pages are still getting
>indexed at an impressive rate and so far even stay indexed!
>
>monetizing them is another thing though...


Mary Murtha has had some good success selling links on her Fatty sites...You may want to try putting up an ad and sell some link space or high ranks...


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5. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   Kurt,
any news regarding the dog searchengine )??

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6. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
>Kurt,
>any news regarding the dog searchengine )??

Yep...

I created the site and sold it.

I used Article Ideas to spider sites for the top 25 most popular breeds. This takes some work, but it delivers the highest qualtiy results.

The time spent with this is mostly spent adding page titles to each, as Article Ideas doesnt' return a page title, and the results are in Fatty format.

Article ideas returns results like this, using only the URL and description:
http://dombom.com
This is some text from the page containing the keywords used.

So, by hand I added the keywords, in this case the breed of dog, plus the pipes and the word "info".

This gave me something like:
http://dombom.com|rottweiler info|
This is some text from the page containing the keywords used.

Notice the pipes BEFORE and AFTER |rottweiler info|.

I repeated this for each keyword (DOG BREED).

I took the entire page and it in the Linez Tuel.

I cropped lines at about 200 characters, as some of the Article Ideas results contain too much text and I don't want to steal a person's entire article.

Then, I clicked "join lines". Now, all the text is on a single line.

Next, I used the "add line breaks" feature:
Add line breake
BEFORE: http://

This put each site on it's own line and in Fatbomb format.


I then created about 1000 URLs to various keyword based SERPs to use with Spiderbomb.

I didn't want to bang away at Google and get my IP banned, so I split the searches up between the major SEs, including AOL, Yahoo and HotBomb. Aol uses Google results anyway...And I have a mixture.

I took the 1000 URLs and made 8 starting pages, with 125 URLs to SERPS each. And each of these pages used 6 different SEs, so I was only polling each SE about 21 times per page. And, I limited it to two pages a day, at different times of the day.

I downloaded the Spiderbomb results and pasted the date into Linez. I then cut lines containing "www.google.com", www.yahoo.com, etc. This removed all the SE BS.

I also used Linez in this way:
1. suffix each link with 12345
2. I then "cut" lines containing: |12345
3. I then did a search/replace to remove the 12345

What this did was remove any sites that didn't have descriptions.

Here's why...A line in Spiderbomb/Fatty format looks like this:
url|title|description

AFter adding 12345 to the end of each line, only lines without a description will look like this:
url|title|12345

The others will look like this:
url|title|description12345

As you can see, only lines without a description will contain the text string:
|12345

url|title|12345 (including the pipe!!!)

Here's how the lines with descriptions looked:
url|title|description12345

Lines WITH descriptions don't have a pipe before the 12345. So I "cut" them using this as the text:
|12345

It's pretty easy to do and it removes all the lines where a site doesn't have a description.

I uploaded the Article Ideas file and the Spiderbomb files and told Fatty where to find them.

I gave a much higher weight to the Article Ideas database, as it returns the highest quality results.

I also scraped all the dog related products from Clickbank and put them in a file. I don't remember the exact recipe, but I used Linez to clean them up and format them.

I gave the CB database just a little more weight than the Article Ideas database, but not much more...So in most cases CB stuff will get to the top of our SERPs.

I also included scraped results from OPD/DMOZ, which is open source, and it returned good results for this niche

In addition, I also included scraped results from Youtube.

I gave lower weight to these resources than the others.

I also added some Amazon books, using Bo Zon, BlogBomb, telling
FatBomb to include some pheeds. I staggard the update time in Blogbomb from updating the most popular keywords every couple of weeks, and the less popular keywords every couple of months. I did this so there won't be a "traffic jam" with BlogBomb updating 100 pheeds all at the same time...But often enough so the the Amazon products are "fresh".

In general, I weighted the sources in this order:

Clickbank
Article Ideas
Spiderbomb
Amazon dog related books
ODP
Youtube

This worked real well for the dog niche and returns some pretty good (and varied) results. Other niches may need different stuff using different weights.

Note: I bought resell rights to Article Ideas...I'll give it to Bombers pretty soon.


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7. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   Hi Kurt,
thanks for the ideas/update!!!

I would expect that the amazon links will get the most clicks since this are the only ones with pictures

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8. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   First let me say thanks.

Great info. I just have one question or observation.

You said "Article ideas returns results like this, using only the URL and description:
http://dombom.com
This is some text from the page containing the keywords used.

So, by hand I added the keywords, in this case the breed of dog, plus the pipes and the word "info".

This gave me something like:
http://dombom.com|rottweiler info|

==================

If i am understanding, you got the URL, but no title, and this was time consuming.

Couldn't you have run this first list through spider bomb to collect the existing meta data?

Kelvin

Also, do you have an estimate of what one could expect on the low in for flipping such a site.

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9. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
>First let me say thanks.
>
>Great info. I just have one question or observation.
>
>You said "Article ideas returns results like this, using
>only the URL and description:
>http://dombom.com
>This is some text from the page containing the keywords
>used.
>
>So, by hand I added the keywords, in this case the breed of
>dog, plus the pipes and the word "info".
>
>This gave me something like:
>http://dombom.com|rottweiler info|
>
>==================
>
>If i am understanding, you got the URL, but no title, and
>this was time consuming.
>
>Couldn't you have run this first list through spider bomb to
>collect the existing meta data?
>
>Kelvin
>
>Also, do you have an estimate of what one could expect on
>the low in for flipping such a site.


Hi Kelvin,

I could have run SpiderBomb, but Article Ideas extracts the info from a paragraph on the page containing the keyword phrase, whereas SpiderBomb uses the meta description tag.

I sold the the site at the Warriors for a little over my asking price of $600.

I put a lot of time into building that site though...My hourly net wasn't very high...And I'm probably quicker setting up the stuff than most.

On the other hand, I spend a lot of time on little details...

Since it's public at the Warriors, the URL is www.Fidobot.com

Note to all: You need to buy a developers license in order to resell FatBomb. It's cheap...

Here's the details:
http://www.dombom.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=139&forum=DCForumID42


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10. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   Hi Kurt,

Great job. month

Just wondering, if you were to keep a site like this for say 6 months, would you think that it could have earned $600?

I remember when i was fairly decent at Fatbomb, i remember having a problem with SSI.

Seems you licked that.

Again, great tutorial.

kelvin

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11. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
>Hi Kurt,
>
>Great job. month
>
>Just wondering, if you were to keep a site like this for say
>6 months, would you think that it could have earned $600?
>
>I remember when i was fairly decent at Fatbomb, i remember
>having a problem with SSI.
>
>Seems you licked that.
>
>Again, great tutorial.

Hi Kelvin,

It's a matter of linking and promo for the site to make money. I just laid the foundation.

44 pages are indexed. I think simply from a single link from the WSO.

It needs links just like any other site. But because of how it's set up, it's pretty easy to get links to specific pages...


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12. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   >I sold the the site at the Warriors for a little over my
>asking price of $600.

Hey Kurt,

Let me know next time you need $600

Seriously - that's a lot of work for $600 - it made me dizzy reading what you did, I'm sure I'd be happy to pay $600 just to get the result knowing you'd done the work.

Andy


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13. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
Hey Andy,

If you're interested in something similar, you can get ahold of me at LVHA@aol.com .


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14. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   Kurt, the amazon texts have some kind of strange characters - also the owner should put something into the footer )

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15. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
   Was trying to study what you did with the dog site, and it's not even online anymore.

I am still not clear on what can or cannot be used from wiki.


Anyway, i saw several list, one happen to be 150 plus dogs, with 1 page each.

FOr instance on the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affenpinscher


Can you use all the text as long as you link back to wikipedia?

Can you also you the picture?


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16. "RE: Kurt's Dog Fatty Search Engine Blog"
 
>Was trying to study what you did with the dog site, and it's
>not even online anymore.

Yeah, I sold it and I guess the buyer never did anything with it and let it expire.

>Can you use all the text as long as you link back to
>wikipedia?

Yes, Wikipedia is Opensource. You need to link to their license, check their site.

>Can you also you the picture?

In some cases, but each has it's own usage license, so I never messed with them...

For pics, I always start with Allposters affiliate program. They have a lot of dog posters. Not only do you get pics, but it's an additional revenue stream.

If anyone signs up with Allposters, please us my affiliate link, it's free and a great source of graphics that actually pay you to use:

http://affiliates.allposters.com/link/redirect.asp?AID=712918&PSTID=1<ID=19&LID=110&ParentAID=712918&lang=1


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