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"Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-07 AT 06:13 AM (PST)
 
Hi Everyone.

I have read, I think, all the information of FatBomb. In a nutshell, I understand that it (very simplified answer) gives us a search engine that I can control the configuration.

Is this right?

If so, how does that help us? Don't we still have to drive traffic to the the search engine site we just created?

OR...

By the fact we have created this search engine site, it provides the content to feed Google, Yahoo, etc....?

Thanks and blessings of Jesus upon you,

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1. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-07 AT 10:35 AM (PST)
 
Hi Ed and Everyone...


>If so, how does that help us? Don't we still have to drive
>traffic to the the search engine site we just created?

Yep, you still need to drive traffic, just like with any other type of content.

There are a number of ways to benefit from Fatty.

- Create a number of "niche" search engines. This is actually pretty simple.

If you have a site about "cars" but a fatty search box and state "check out our cars search engine". Then use a cars skin, with car graphics and links to more car searches.

And if you have a Christian site, do the same thing...Create a search box that uses a "Christian" skin, that also contains relevant links to other related searches.

You don't even have to install Fatty more than once to do this...However, if you check your keywords file (Fatty 2.0 only) and find your users are serching for one niche alot, install another instance of Fatty and create your own custom text/data files, filled with quality hand-picked links.

You can also turn the search results into "pages", as covered on the "#4 Making Pages" thread.

Eventually (soon, but not now) I will cover turning Fatty pages into static pages.

I will also post tons of places where you can host your content for FREE.

Mix the two together, and you have a self-linking strategy that spans numerous IP.

Again, we'll get into this later, after folks have mastered making pages.



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2. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
Another use for Fatty:

Dedooping articles...

If you have a bunch of articles that others have access to, insert an SSI tag that will place fatty results on the pages.

Your page will have:
quality article
links to quality resources

Now you have a unique page.

When using SSI and Fatty results in this fashion, you should use a "blank" skin. More on this in other threads.


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3. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 

Below are a couple of posts I made on the WSO thread...I'll repost them here:
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Post 1
Here's a little SEO secret the marketers don't tell you...All they preach is "authority site!", "authority site!".

You know what? There's another type of site Google really loves, and it's called a "hub site".

What's a hub site? It's a site with a lot of links to other, high quality sites.

Do a search for things like "graphics software" or "free fonts". I haven't checked these exact searches, but many similar searches are filled with hub sites, sites that simply link to tons and tons of relevant resources.

This is what FatBomb does better than any other program...It will let you create great hub sites and niche directories/search engines.

It takes some work, but you can create fantastic sites for niche after niche.

Go ahead and google "hub site" and see for yourself what some SEO experts say about hub sites...Then get back to me, assuming this offer is still available.

Or, are you worried about your PLR or other articles being doops? Slap some Fatty results on these pages to not only help you dedoop, but also add real value for your readers...And it's as easy as adding an SSI tag. We'll show you how.

And do you want to know the best way to really learn SEO? I mean REALLY LEARN SEO! Start your own search engine and try getting the best, highest quality results to appear at the top.

You know the old saying, "walk a mile in his shoes"? And it's especially true with SEO. Learn SEO from the search engine's point of view and you'll have a different outlook on SEO for the rest of your career.

This is what Fatty can do for you, and more. And right now it's only a dollar. $25 if you want version 2.

Post 2
Mary...

And you're correct, in some ways hub sites are like authority sites, and in reality a hub site can become an authority.

For those that don't know the difference:

Authority site - A site with a lot of content, few links pointing out and a lot of links pointing in.

Hub site - Has a lot of links pointing out to high quality sources and a lot of links pointing in.

Both sites have a lot of links pointing in.

A key to hub sites is that many SEOers and IMers are afraid to have a lot of links out, fearing they will lose traffic.

However, sites that link out to quality resources GET BOOKMARKED.

They also gain some of the reputation and relevancy of the sites they link to.

If we accept the theory that linking to "bad neighborhoods" is bad, then we need to assume the opposite, that linking to good neighborhoods is good.

To create these sites using Fatty, we can build our own databases of high quality links. This take time, but for those that like to research and explore the web instead of writing tons of content, this is another option.

And because of the way Fatty can scrape and rank multiple resources, we can find and use the sites that rank high in different search engines. These are the true hub and authority sites, the sites the rank highly across the board.

And it's these sites that are most beneficial to link to, creating hub sites of your own.

Remember, authority sites are just part of the equation. Let the masses tackle them, while hub sites remain relatively unkown.

PS...To all of you that posted kind words...Thanks, and the check is in the email. Don't spend it all in one place.


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4. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
Above, I spoke about hub sites.

To do this, start out with the scraper resources provided with Fatty, but as you go, start building your own text data files of the high quality sites you come across.

Then start "weening" yourself off of the scraped results and build your own custom results.

It takes some time and effort, but you'd be surprised at how many pages you can actually make from these data files by mixing and matching different sites, depending on keywords.


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5. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
   >You don't even have to install Fatty more than once to do this

Thanks for the great info Kurt!

Where would you suggest Fatty is installed?

Should Intall it on"

1. new domain and hosting?
2. a subdomain?
3. Something else?

I guess this is a installation strategy question?

Thanks,

Ed


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6. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 

>Should Intall it on"
>
>1. new domain and hosting?
>2. a subdomain?
>3. Something else?
>
>I guess this is a installation strategy question?

Hi Ed,

Depends on your own hosting options. I'd put it one the one that has the most server power, then use static pages for domains with less server power.


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7. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
   i think I understand what it does better know, thanks. But how do you monetize a fatty site? CPM? AdSense? If AdSense are there any MFA concerns?

thanks,

>>If so, how does that help us? Don't we still have to drive
>>traffic to the the search engine site we just created?
>
>Yep, you still need to drive traffic, just like with any
>other type of content.
>
>There are a number of ways to benefit from Fatty.
>
>- Create a number of "niche" search engines. This is
>actually pretty simple.
>
>If you have a site about "cars" but a fatty search box and
>state "check out our cars search engine". Then use a cars
>skin, with car graphics and links to more car searches.
>


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8. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
>i think I understand what it does better know, thanks. But
>how do you monetize a fatty site? CPM? AdSense? If AdSense
>are there any MFA concerns?

These pages are the "same" as in other pages. The exception is, if you're using fatty as a search engine and allow your users to search.

In this case, you need an "all around" affiliate program, that will automatically create the ads for you based on keywords, like AdSense.

Once you create static pages, put anything you want to provide revenue streams.

Also, don't forget you can make your own databases out of affiliate programs. For example, find a bunch of clickbank products, and make a custom datavbase using your affliiate ID.

Now, your affiliate products will be "search results" and will appear for related keyword searches.

Note: This is blackhat and I believe search engines are supposed to notify folks that these are sponsored links. If you want, add "sponsored" before each Clickbank item.

Also, next month when we get into Blogbomb and RSS pheeds, we'll be able to add affiliate programs that way.


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9. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
>Kurt said:
>Note: This is blackhat and I believe search engines are
>supposed to notify folks that these are sponsored links.

Kurt,

I just have to ask the question. Is this a "Global Internet Hard-n-Fast Law or do we do it simply because the majors do it?

Just wondering.

John


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10. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
>>Kurt said:
>>Note: This is blackhat and I believe search engines are
>>supposed to notify folks that these are sponsored links.
>
>Kurt,
>
>I just have to ask the question. Is this a "Global Internet
>Hard-n-Fast Law or do we do it simply because the majors do
>it?


John,

The reason the major engines do it, is because it's the law in the US.


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11. "RE: Conceptual Understranding.... Of FatBomb"
 
Here's another way to exploit Fatty.

Assuming you have it working and your mod rewrite/htaccess working correctly, you now have a site that you can link to "at will".

As you set up a blog network, you can link practically anything to your Fatty.

For example, you make a blog post, choose a few keywords in your post and use them as anchor text/ links to your Fatty. You don't need to create a content page, you know Fatty will do this for you:

In the late 60's, Elvis made a comeback in Las Vegas at the International hotel and casino.

I didn't have to bother creating any content pages, Fatty will do it for me. Not only am I creating links "on the fly" to my Fatty domain, I'm also offering more content and resources for my blog readers.


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12. "What can Fatty Do?"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-08 AT 05:33 PM (PST)
 
Hi Kurt, I finally got Fatty installed on a WordPress blog on a subdirectory. I have some questions tha tMary helped me out with but I guess I'd like to know what Fatty can do, altogether?

Fatty doesn't create traffic by itself, but CAN create traffic to sites that show up in searches when site visitors use the Search Bar.

So, in this case Fatty creates traffic by displaying what we want displayed on the Fatty SERPs. We can basically rank our sites atop the SERPs according to certain terms that are being typed in search box.

If my site was about Internet Marketing, I could rank one of my IM related sites #1 for that term somehow?

If so, how can I do this if the blog doesn't rank for that term in any of the major SE's "eyes" yet?. All that I see with Fatty is the ability to assign occurrence weight to certain SEs.

But what if Yahoo ranks me better for certain KWs than Google? How do I put my sites at number 1 spot to get traffic form my own search engine/Fatty this way?

When you say Fatty creates page, do you mean that the results pages from queries are content pages? If so, I can understand that, it makes sense to me.

To create REAL pages, pages that have static content, is that something Fatty does, or are search results deemed static to SEs?

If I grasped this concept correctly, the reason we're creating lots of content, words, sites etc... is that we pretty much guarantee that Fatty will show one of our sites or pages when any of a number of search terms are searched.

If nobody comes to the site to use the search bar, then Fatty isn't very powerful, which is why we need to create silver/tin/gold sites, hub sites etc... to bring traffic to our Fatty search bar... the old fashioned way, lots of links pointing inwards towards the gold sites with Fatty on them.

Then, when traffic is coming to a site with Fatty on it, IT in turn sends traffic to whatever sites we choose to rank highly for our KWs.

I'd like to fully understand how Fatty is going to work for me. I understand that various other tools and bombs can be added on to make things work even better.

I realize that occurrence weight pretty much dictates what SE is being relie dupon more than others for certain terms. Can this be adjusted for different KWs when searched, or is this a one-size-fits-all config, until changed/tweaked?

Once I understand this all, I'll make a series of videos for your site, to do with what you will.

I appreciate the help here.

Are there any features of Fatty that I missed out on, and are important?

To me it seems that the search box= page creation, which means sending traffic to my sites if they have certain KWs on there. Still not sure how to make my sites rank #1-0 for all terms related to my sites, ...

Maybe that's where other tuelz come into play?



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13. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
Hi Dan,

There's a lot of questions...I'll answer what I think is important/needed.

The "weight" allows you to control which resources will appear first/last. This lets you have control over how your SERPs will appear.

Also, by using different resources and/or inputting different weight values, you can create totally different pages, results.

Traffic can be created two ways:
1. Just like any search engine, if you have very good NICHE results, you'll get return visitors using your engine. The key is to spend some time and create a resource using high quality, hand picked links. Just as sites with high quality content will attract users, SEs with high quality resources will do the same.

2. Turn the SERPs into "pages". See the Making Pages Using FatBomb thread for more details.


Instead of worrying about all the other minor details, a big benefit of Fatty once it is set up, it can create pages about virtually "any" keyword instantly. You just need to learn how to link to it.

Fatty is also a great way to mix your own stuff in with other resources. Everything, blog, squidoo, hub, myspace, twitter you create that's relevant to the niche should be added to a custom database, so the results are included in Fatty results.

Once you create you own databases using your own resources, you can use RZZ to convert them to RSS. Now, you can easily add the same resources to BlogBomb and syndicate your own links to your entire BlogBomb empire.

Next, make some custom databases, then visit the Making Pages thread:
http://www.dombom.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1&forum=DCForumID42


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14. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
  
>The "weight" allows you to control which resources will
>appear first/last. This lets you have control over how your
>SERPs will appear.


DAN:

Kurt, how do i make my sites appear on page 1 of my FATTY SERPS if I'm returning search results based on other SEs?

Also, by using different resources and/or inputting
different weight values, you can create totally different
pages, results.

DAN: This means making pages, and not just return search results, correct?

Traffic can be created two ways:
1. Just like any search engine, if you have very good NICHE
results, you'll get return visitors using your engine. The
key is to spend some time and create a resource using high
quality, hand picked links. Just as sites with high quality
>content will attract users, SEs with high quality resources
>will do the same.

DAN:I don't understand what you mean by SEs with high quality resources. Do you mean that the better MY resources (SERPs and my own sites combined)are, my SE looks better because it's returning good hub-like sites/resources and relevant results for searches?


2. Turn the SERPs into "pages". See the Making Pages Using
>FatBomb thread for more details.

Instead of worrying about all the other minor details, a big
benefit of Fatty once it is set up, it can create pages
about virtually "any" keyword instantly. You just need to
learn how to link to it.

DAN: OK, it seems to me that learning how to mak epages with Fatty will clear up a lot of questions I have, so I'll work on that.

Fatty is also a great way to mix your own stuff in with
other resources. Everything, blog, squidoo, hub, myspace,
twitter you create that's relevant to the niche should be
added to a custom database, so the results are included in
Fatty results.

Once you create you own databases using your own resources,
you can use RZZ to convert them to RSS. Now, you can easily
add the same resources to BlogBomb and syndicate your own
links to your entire BlogBomb empire.

DAN: OK, when configuring my Fatty, I also create a custom DB, and THAT is what dictates my Fatty SERPs, thereby putitng my sites on my Fatty page 1 SERPS?

Next, make some custom databases, then visit the Making
Pages thread:
http://www.dombom.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1&forum=DCForumID42


DAN: OK Kurt, it seem slike that I need to mak ea custom DB to place my sites wher eI want them to be in my Fatty SERPs, then work on creating pages, is that correct?

Thanks again for asnwering just the important questions, since I don't even know what the important tihngs are yet. Sorry to be such a pain in the butt.

Thanks,

Dan


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15. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
>>DAN: OK, when configuring my Fatty, I also create a custom DB, and THAT is what dictates my Fatty SERPs, thereby putitng my sites on my Fatty page 1 SERPS?


HI Dan,

Just putting stuff in a custom database doesn't necessarily mean that they will rank highly in your SERPS.

You need to adjust the weight of each. Goto: Databases . This is where you add them and give them weight.

Because of the way Fatty ranks links, if you want your database to dominate the SERPS, you need to give it a very big number, say 10000000.

This of course is dependant and relative on the weights given to other resources, as well as the number of resources selected.

Experiment manipulating the weight of different resources. Use small and large numbers as weight (6-10 digits).


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16. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
   OK Kurt,I think I got it now,

Custom DB can get traffic to my SERPs if my custom DB has a lot of weight, but ther eis also a reason to not just show my reosurces in the Fatty SERPs because the SE needs to show a wide variety of good reosurces to be deemed a good SE, ie, giving good resources via the searches.

I'll work on getting the custom DB set up to the point wehr eits beneficial to me, then I'll make pages with pages, then just work on getting more traffic to the sites that have Fatty on them.

Am I on the right track here?


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17. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
>OK Kurt,I think I got it now,
>
>Custom DB can get traffic to my SERPs if my custom DB has a
>lot of weight, but ther eis also a reason to not just show
>my reosurces in the Fatty SERPs because the SE needs to show
>a wide variety of good reosurces to be deemed a good SE, ie,
>giving good resources via the searches.
>
>I'll work on getting the custom DB set up to the point wehr
>eits beneficial to me, then I'll make pages with pages, then
>just work on getting more traffic to the sites that have
>Fatty on them.
>
>Am I on the right track here?

Hi Dan,

In this example, I'd create two custom databases. 1 for your own stuf and the other of the high-quality resources you want to add.

Weigh them however you want, just make sure they are both higher than other resources.

Don't forget you can even give weight to indvidual URLs in your custom databases by add the wieght to the begining of each line in the database:
123500|

Again, the weight alone doesn't make the URL appear...It also has to contain the keywords.

Also consider that Fatty really only ranks the descriptions in the databases and not the pages themselves. So, the resources in the databases need to include relevant keywords for them to appear in the SERPs.

I've often said that the best way to learn SEO is to have your own SE and try to get the "best" results to appear at the top. I think setting up Fatty will give a whole new perspective on how SEs work.



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18. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
   Kurt, when I install a database for Fatty, what goes in it, and how does this appear as one of the engines in Fatty so I can give occurence wieght to my DB to place some of my sites atop the results pages?

What kind of information is being pulled by Fatty from the database?

What information goes into the DB and how does it get in there?


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19. "RE: What can Fatty Do?"
 
   My answer was/is here I guess

http://www.dombom.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID24&archive=

Just an FYI for anyone else looking for the next step

My bad for not seeing it earlier


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